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Monday, September 18, 2006

Ecclesiastes 12

Well that makes me feel better

Summary:
Appreciate God and life before you get old and cynical; Before you don't trust anything and you end up dying, with your spirit going back to God.

In summary, the teacher knows what he's talking about. Don't change what he's said (like I have by adding this). In conclusion, do what God says and fear him.

Key verse:
13. here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the whole duty of man.

My thoughts:
This conclusion is explicitly written by someone other than the Teacher, who supposedly wrote the rest of the book. I do tend towards Ecclesiastes being better without it. It is more true to itself, and the Conclusionist (I love theology) is blatantly disregarding his own words.

Oh well. It's good to be young.

8 Comments:

Anonymous Deane said...

Surely you've got to differentiate between Conclusionist1 (12:13b) and Conclusionist2 (12:14)?

6:15 am

 
Blogger Pete W said...

I didn't think too hard, but I did think that possibly the conclusion wasn't a unified work... but I wudn't divide it between 12:13b and 12:14...

What about 12:13b{alpha}?

9:02 am

 
Anonymous Mark said...

[I don't actually agree with this point of view, but it's amusing]

"Ecclesiastes conclusion is kind of a namby-pamby "well, I guess you better be good though. God's watching." I like the theory that the ending was just sort of stuck on by one of the guys that compiled the book. As if he had copied the whole thing down and then said, "uh, hey. Wait a minute. This doesn't go with the whole, 'shut up and eat your veggies’' thing that we've got going here. Lemme just add this little..." But, that being said, until the counsel of elders meets again and decides to take out back that little addition, it's still in there. In reaction to that, I think I'll just ignore it, like most of the rest of Christendom has ignored the message of Ecclesiastes (and Job, for that matter) for a couple thousand years."

http://uncle-spikey.blogspot.com/2004/10/i-will-continue-to-muse.html

10:17 am

 
Anonymous Mark said...

So what's the 'official' view on Ecclesiastes' conclusion? Is their a general consensus that it has been tagged on? (I think you can still make sense of it if it was written by the Teacher, but it seems unlikely that it was)

10:24 am

 
Anonymous Mark said...

*there, not their...

10:25 am

 
Blogger Pete W said...

Yea... I think I mostly agree with uncle spikey... though he shouldn't neglect the fact that much of ecclesiastes is still in support of being good and being wise, but it just has this overwhelming sense of meaninglessness...

Also, though I think (Deano can clarify) that most ppl think that the conclusion is added on, that doesn't mean it isn't Biblical! Just because something is edited and compiled doesn't make it bad. So I'd disagree with Uncle Spikey ignoring this conclusion.

Getting a group of elders to officially cut such a part of the Bible sets an extremely dangerous precedent. It's these little 'informed' changes that have left the Bible in it's so ridiculously altered fashion that it is in today...

As for Christendom ignoring Job and Ecclesiastes... I think Christendom ignored most of the Bible for most of its history, seeing as Bibles were pretty inaccessible!

1:17 pm

 
Blogger Dave said...

I never really thought of Job as being ignored, but meh... I've heard Job and Ecclesiastes and Song of Songs all used in church in sermons or songs...

6:48 pm

 
Blogger Pete W said...

Yea... I was kinda thinking that too...

7:07 pm

 

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